Civil War in Thailand?
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by creating all these unrest that is putting the country in a perilous situation now will not help the country in anyway, especially in these times.
the lost of thai credibility that he engineered to undermine the country when the asean summit was postponed is also 1 step forward, 3 steps back. you reckon world leaders will shake hands with him after what he did if indeed he's successful in his power grab?
Sad to say, going by wat u say the whole world should be ruled by despots and dictator and all protests should be banned in order to make things appear stable and better.
The word "loser" to describe the poor in a country was coined by Singapore's cursed despot.
Like I said, that they supported Thaksin was not a problem and Thaksin winning elections through their supposrt was not a problem.
It became a problem when Thaksin tried to become a despot by trying to suppress the press, and putting his relatives and cronies into positions of power.
Are you tying to tell me that as long as the majority supports him, he can then trun the country communists and declare that only his son can succeed him?
U keep saying he become a despot by putting in his relative yet u cannot produce a shred of evidence to prove your stand. U know claim is cheap
And democracy is really tis. If he is popular enough he can re write the consitution and turn the country into communist. Can u say tat in future there won't be any money system tat is better than the current capitalist system ? If democracy cannot adapt to such changes, doesn't it make them lousy ?
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Question though, can the King tell the military what to do ?I kind of believe that the king is a puppet to the military. The king have to do the bidding of the military to avoid more bloodshed. That is the assumption based on if the king do love his people.
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huh? Are you out of your mind? You want the possibility of having a "Dear Leader", even if it is just a possibility, to rule over you?
Without democracy there is a distinct possibility that a "Dear Leader" of North Korea and a Stalin of USSR and the Dictators of Burma will end up ruling the country.
In a true democracy with real democratic freedoms, there is no such possibility.
As long as Thailand remains a democracy, if Abhisit cocks up, then he will have to go. If Abhisits starts trying to consolidate power to become a despot, then the other instituitions of democracy will have to stop him even if the majority supports him.
Wat is right wat is wrong ? Who r u to judge ? The masses want a communist leader. Who r u to say they r wrong ? Democracy is letting the people rule themselves and they choose to let one ruled them instead. Why force them to follow your choice and not their choice ?
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Sad to say, going by wat u say the whole world should be ruled by despots and dictator and all protests should be banned in order to make things appear stable and better.
U keep saying he become a despot by putting in his relative yet u cannot produce a shred of evidence to prove your stand. U know claim is cheap
And democracy is really tis. If he is popular enough he can re write the consitution and turn the country into communist. Can u say tat in future there won't be any money system tat is better than the current capitalist system ? If democracy cannot adapt to such changes, doesn't it make them lousy ?
I hate to repeat myself... did I say he became a despot or tried to become a despot but was prevented from doing so? The ongoing "Thailand troubles" are a continuation of the people stopping a despot from ruling the country
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Wat is right wat is wrong ? Who r u to judge ? The masses want a communist leader. Who r u to say they r wrong ? Democracy is letting the people rule themselves and they choose to let one ruled them instead. Why force them to follow your choice and not their choice ?
Right every four years they make the choice. Who are you to choose for the future generations? You are some sort of GOD that can guarentee your choice is good for eternity?
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Sad to say, going by wat u say the whole world should be ruled by despots and dictator and all protests should be banned in order to make things appear stable and better.
U keep saying he become a despot by putting in his relative yet u cannot produce a shred of evidence to prove your stand. U know claim is cheap
And democracy is really tis. If he is popular enough he can re write the consitution and turn the country into communist. Can u say tat in future there won't be any money system tat is better than the current capitalist system ? If democracy cannot adapt to such changes, doesn't it make them lousy ?
i see that you have not lost your form in your ability to twist the words of others to suit your purpose.
my bad, i don't have the time to engage you in these kind of `i-say-you-say discussion'.
take care.
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I hate to repeat myself... did I say he became a despot or tried to become a despot but was prevented from doing so?
The point of contend is always to prove wat u claim. U say he try to put in his relatives but u offer no evidence. On wat grounds do u have in making such an extraordinary claim ? U say something and I have to take it like a bible and follow faithfully ? Otherwise u r just making empty talk which is very cheap
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Right every four years they make the choice. Who are you to choose for the future generations? You are some sort of GOD that can guarentee your choice is good for eternity?
Sorry but most decisions made by the government, whether democratic or authocratic, affect the future generations. Since no one is god, no one makes decisions ?
Lets say there is a decision to settle which island it belong to with another country. Tis country offers a lot of unbelievable incentives for u to forgo the title of the island. Isn't tat sort of decisions affecting all future generations and got chosen by the present 4 years government ?
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
The point of contend is always to prove wat u claim. U say he try to put in his relatives but u offer no evidence. On wat grounds do u have in making such an extraordinary claim ? U say something and I have to take it like a bible and follow faithfully ? Otherwise u r just making empty talk which is very cheap
So you think that the "elites" are out to get Thaksin for nothing? That he was a wise and good ruler and they are the epitome of evil?
Prove it then, that the military generals, the chief justices of Thailand, the civil servants, the Thai king and his counsellors, and the press are a bunch of like minded monsters.
I told you that I was in Thailand and as a witness to his attempt at despotism, I now tell you why he had to go (not just me but the aforementioned)
Since you so eloquently said that without proof, what someone says is "empty talk which is very cheap" then you prove what you claim or else to quote you, you are engaging in "empty talk which is very cheap"
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i see that you have not lost your form in your ability to twist the words of others to suit your purpose.
my bad, i don't have the time to engage you in these kind of `i-say-you-say discussion'.
take care.
Well red dust, I know where u stand. U feel tat the present situation is made worse with the protests and the closing of the summit. I agree with u. To me, the actions they did is wrong but the reason why they do it is right.
The poor and majority has the right to prevent themselves from being exploited by the rich and few. If one believe in the idea of protesting, then IMO then they have the rights to protest and ask for a re election.
Again I must say again. The actions they did is wrong. They should just protest non violently and let the summit continue. But the reason for their protests is right.
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So you think that the "elites" are out to get Thaksin for nothing? That he was a wise and good ruler and they are the epitome of evil?
Prove it then, that the military generals, the chief justices of Thailand, the civil servants, the Thai king and his counsellors, and the press are a bunch of like minded monsters.
I told u many times liao. They practise double standards like court decisions and army actions. Who are the leaders of PAD ? U want evidence ? Ok here goes
Its leaders include media-mogul Sondhi Limthongkul and Major General Chamlong Srimuang.
The PAD consists of middle and upper-class Bangkokians and Southerners, supported by the conservative elite factions of the Thai Army, some leaders of Democrat Party, and leaders of state-enterprise labor unions.
State-enterprise labour unions coordinated by stopping train operations across the Kingdom, and threatening to shut off electricity and water services to non-PAD supporters.[4][5] Armed PAD forces "Srivichai Warriors" seized a government television broadcaster as well as several government ministries.[6][7][8][9][10] Violence between PAD supporters and anti-PAD protesters left dozens injured and one anti-PAD protester dead.[11] Wealthy PAD supporters threatened a bank run that could destabilize the Thai financial system if the Samak government did not quit.[12]
It was strongly opposed to Thaksin's populist economic policies and attempts to decentralize political power. The PAD is largely composed of royalists, has regularly invoked king Bhumibol Adulyadej in its protests, and has claimed that its enemies are disloyal to the monarchy.[
PAD protesters initially consisted primarily of middle and upper-class residents of Bangkok. These included prominent socialites (dubbed the "Blue Blood Jet Set" by the Bangkok Post) and some lesser members of the Thai royal family. The PAD's support base expanded to include civil servants, state enterprise labor unions, the urban middle-class, conservative Buddhist groups, Southerners and elite.
U can read all of them from wikipedia. Now I shown my evidence. Show yours
U know wat they wana do for their democracy ?
Representative democracy is not suitable for Thailand," noted Sondhi Limthongkul, claiming that electoral systems have repeatedly elected allegedly corrupt populist governments.[46] To correct this problem, the PAD has proposed what it called "New Politics." Although most of its leaders supported, and in some cases, helped draft the post-coup 2007 Constitution, the PAD has proposed constitutional amendments that would make 70% of Parliament would be selected, based on professional groups, with elections accounting for only 30%.[32][33] On 21 September, the PAD changed its formula to 100% elections, but with 50% of Parliament voted for by geographic area and another 50% voted for by occupational representatives
While Thaksin and Samak championed farmers and the rural poor with their "dual-track" economic policies that combined populist perks like universal healthcare with greater participation in the global economy, the PAD are, in contrast, hardline monetarists. They propose interest rate hikes, cutting down spending on the poor, "mega-projects", and squeezing wages
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One piece of evidence from BBC:
"The annual reshuffle had been a point of tension under Mr Thaksin, who was suspected of promoting his allies to win influence over the military."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5391870.stm
If I have the time, I can find lots more evidence..... but... *yawn*
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"The annual reshuffle had been a point of tension under Mr Thaksin, who was suspected of promoting his allies to win influence over the military."
U claimed "relatives" of thaksin. Please read back your posts. In here, they says "suspected" and only "allies". It is still a long shot from wat u had claimed.
Obama also replaces key people with his allies when he is elected. Tis is normal. But replacing with relatives is a total different ball game which I am still waiting for your evidence
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
One piece of evidence from BBC:
"The annual reshuffle had been a point of tension under Mr Thaksin, who was suspected of promoting his allies to win influence over the military."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5391870.stm
If I have the time, I can find lots more evidence..... but... *yawn*
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
wow. what an insight. (i am not even asking who r ur gals..... : )Wow! what a compliment of intention. Thank you.
Of course you dun ask my gals, you have to ask me first before you ask them ok.
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Singaporeans should worry about the white shirts running the little red dot before worrying about Thailand's Red,Yellow and blue shirts.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Give him a chance to prove himself. If he proves to be as bad as the cursed despot, the people should take him down before he sells the entire country to foreigners like the Singapore cursed despot and cronies.
Lots of Contradiction, so you are implying that our singapore is not bad afterall, if not, why nobody take them down, and the nos of years they are in the govt should prove that they are very very good hor.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Singaporeans should worry about the white shirts running the little red dot before worrying about Thailand's Red,Yellow and blue shirts.
not need to worry, so far so good, if white shirt is no good, long long take over by people liao. White represent clean, no corruption, sincere, helpful like a nurse and diagnose n solve problem like a doctor.it also mean RI boys and in time of war, just rise yr shirt only, all seized fire liao
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Thaksin may prove to be a difficult block to the political peace but when it comes down to a duel between the opposition and Thaksin, my bets are on whichever side Bhumibol favors.
Firstly, this is not the first time someone has openly challenged Bhumibol, who has throughout his time rose from a decorative figure, issued martial law, supported democratic transitions and survived until now.
Secondly, history has proven that the interests of his people are placed above all. This guy has a credible track record, which is why he runs not just any monarchy, but a formidable one. He can’t be the world’s longest serving head of state simply by mere power of royal command. He didn’t survive 40 years of governments and political turmoil through sheer luck.Bhumibol directly and indirectly intervenes. There are plenty of clues to suggest he dictates Thai politics without seeming like a direct opponent to either party. Right now, Abhisit is Bhumibol’s best option.
redDust is right, Thaksin is losing perspective, respect and quickly being dispelled among the international and Thai community.
A poll by Abac University, the most respected pollster in Thailand, found that 55 percent of 2,178 respondents in 18 provinces from throughout the country wanted the red shirts to end their protest and let Abhisit continue to run the country. Only 11 percent wanted Abhisit to resign. - Reuters
With or without bloodshed, Thaksin has clearly lost. That was 2006, we’re now into 2009. This political war he claims he is still raging is just chaotic rubble on the streets. It’s only a matter of time before peace returns, however temporary. The rural community may volunteer themselves as red shirts, but history has shown that only the middle class made significant protests in Thailand.
Thaksin’s last accusation against Bhumibol, suggesting that his monarchy, instead of neutralizing Thai politics, now plays a biased role in influencing Thailand’s political landscape was very dirty and way too public.
Rationally and morally, Thaksin is finished as a true statesman for the Thais.
Besides, being pushed into the corner with a 2-year sentence doesn’t give him the right to incite public unrest. To sidetrack a bit, even when backed into the corner with life imprisonment and nowhere to run, Gusmão led the resistance from within prison and won the war he waged. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
ya, medication time!!!"After all, I am an Angel of God" Words of an insane ass 05 Feb `09, 6:04PM
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Sorry but most decisions made by the government, whether democratic or authocratic, affect the future generations. Since no one is god, no one makes decisions ?
Lets say there is a decision to settle which island it belong to with another country. Tis country offers a lot of unbelievable incentives for u to forgo the title of the island. Isn't tat sort of decisions affecting all future generations and got chosen by the present 4 years government ?
What was I talking about with the other chap? That whether this present generation has the right to choose a government / party that will change the system so that they do not need to hold elections anymore. Whether this generation has the right to choose for future generations who / which party should rule over them.What are you talking about? You are talking about decisions made today affecting the future.Obviously you lack comprehension skills.Originally posted by stupidissmart:U claimed "relatives" of thaksin. Please read back your posts. In here, they says "suspected" and only "allies". It is still a long shot from wat u had claimed.
Obama also replaces key people with his allies when he is elected. Tis is normal. But replacing with relatives is a total different ball game which I am still waiting for your evidence
Every appointment that Obama makes is vetted by congress. In the US, in military appointments, the nominees are recommended by the various branches of the armed forces to the president.
You are becoming more and more ridiculous.
It is well established that the civil service, the courts and the military must be politically neutral and yet you claim that appointing "political allies" is no big deal!
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
U claimed "relatives" of thaksin. Please read back your posts. In here, they says "suspected" and only "allies". It is still a long shot from wat u had claimed.
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This is common knowledge and yet you are ignorant of it. Ignorance is not a problem but it becomes a problem when you make lots of idiotic claims and give lots of idiotic opinions without even knowing the basic facts!!!
Your insistence that I educate you on the recent history shows that you are making lots claims and giving lots of opinions in ignorance of even the basic facts. Your insistence that I educate you on the recent history shows that just because you are given to talking cock, you think other people are like you.
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Thaksin was close to the Singapore despots and was trying to do what the cursed despot of Singapore did so as to enrich himeself, his relatives, and his cronies with public money at will, by taking as much of the people's money as possible. This will damage the economy like in the cursed despot run country and they would need to inject a massive influx of foreigners to keep the economy going.
No honorable proud Thai will accept this licking of foreign asses to repair the economy.
What Thaksin did not figure was that Thais are not dogs, unlike...
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Thaksin was close to the Singapore despots and was trying to do what the cursed despot of Singapore did so as to enrich himeself, his relatives, and his cronies with public money at will, by taking as much of the people's money as possible. This will damage the economy like in the cursed despot run country and they would need to inject a massive influx of foreigners to keep the economy going.
No honorable proud Thai will accept this licking of foreign asses to repair the economy.
What Thaksin did not figure was that Thais are not dogs, unlike...
curse despot, dog, licking, ass..hmmm my uncle motto again.Uncle, take care of your thai wife good good hor, the rest leave it to we younger generation to take care, you already past your doggy years.
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hehehe here I thank my insane "After all, I am an Angel of God" coolie for bumping up my thread...
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